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		<title>Comment on Should The Grid Be Visible? by Ethan Resnick</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/22/should-the-grid-be-visible/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should the grid (generally) be visible? Hell no.

As designers, our role is to curate content for our users, to make it clear and approachable. And our best friend in presenting our content effectively is the grid, but it isn&#039;t content itself. Showing the grid adds no value to regular user and adds an unnecessary visual element that detracts from the hierarchy of the real content.

That said, there are exceptions, namely, when the grid is actually content. One example, might be on the site of a design firm, where they&#039;re trying to show &quot;designedness.&quot; In cases like that, a subtle presentation of the grid could be acceptable. But those are the vast minority of cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should the grid (generally) be visible? Hell no.</p>
<p>As designers, our role is to curate content for our users, to make it clear and approachable. And our best friend in presenting our content effectively is the grid, but it isn&#8217;t content itself. Showing the grid adds no value to regular user and adds an unnecessary visual element that detracts from the hierarchy of the real content.</p>
<p>That said, there are exceptions, namely, when the grid is actually content. One example, might be on the site of a design firm, where they&#8217;re trying to show &#8220;designedness.&#8221; In cases like that, a subtle presentation of the grid could be acceptable. But those are the vast minority of cases.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should The Grid Be Visible? by Paul</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/22/should-the-grid-be-visible/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting perspective Martin. I guess as designers you can sometimes forget what the &#039;average web surfer&#039; will think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting perspective Martin. I guess as designers you can sometimes forget what the &#8216;average web surfer&#8217; will think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should The Grid Be Visible? by Martin Bean</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/22/should-the-grid-be-visible/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the grid should be shown, no. At the end of the day, it&#039;s only going to be designers who are nosey and looking to see if a grid&#039;s been used. If they find it they can nod in approval; if not they can feel slightly taller and superior.

The grid won&#039;t mean a lot to the average web surfer. They&#039;ll just wonder why they have &quot;squared paper&quot; on their website. I know if I added a visible grid to one of my client&#039;s sites I&#039;d get an angry phone call pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the grid should be shown, no. At the end of the day, it&#8217;s only going to be designers who are nosey and looking to see if a grid&#8217;s been used. If they find it they can nod in approval; if not they can feel slightly taller and superior.</p>
<p>The grid won&#8217;t mean a lot to the average web surfer. They&#8217;ll just wonder why they have &#8220;squared paper&#8221; on their website. I know if I added a visible grid to one of my client&#8217;s sites I&#8217;d get an angry phone call pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should The Grid Be Visible? by Paul</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/22/should-the-grid-be-visible/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Ben. I&#039;m designing a site at the moment where the grid is so obvious, it looks a little regimented (even without displaying it).

I guess a design could even lose a little bit of it&#039;s magic if the grid is shown, especially for complex layouts where the grid isn&#039;t obvious at first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Ben. I&#8217;m designing a site at the moment where the grid is so obvious, it looks a little regimented (even without displaying it).</p>
<p>I guess a design could even lose a little bit of it&#8217;s magic if the grid is shown, especially for complex layouts where the grid isn&#8217;t obvious at first.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should The Grid Be Visible? by Ben Bodien</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/22/should-the-grid-be-visible/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Bodien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you say, I think they do an excellent job of highlighting the underlying structure of a layout, as long as the grid is displayed subtly (as yours is here). Whether it&#039;s only designers who pick up on that or not, I don&#039;t know, as I&#039;m a designer and a lover of grids so I tend to spot them quickly every time.

Avoid them to avoid the cliche, or if a grid being displayed doesn&#039;t match the design direction or somehow impedes the function of the site.

I think the easter egg approach as used by Analog is the nicest way. With that said, our grid at http://neutroncreations.com is on proud display in the header, but not further down where we encouraged Elliot Jay Stocks to deliberately emphasise the seemingly chaotic layout, without revealing any order behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you say, I think they do an excellent job of highlighting the underlying structure of a layout, as long as the grid is displayed subtly (as yours is here). Whether it&#8217;s only designers who pick up on that or not, I don&#8217;t know, as I&#8217;m a designer and a lover of grids so I tend to spot them quickly every time.</p>
<p>Avoid them to avoid the cliche, or if a grid being displayed doesn&#8217;t match the design direction or somehow impedes the function of the site.</p>
<p>I think the easter egg approach as used by Analog is the nicest way. With that said, our grid at <a href="http://neutroncreations.com" rel="nofollow">http://neutroncreations.com</a> is on proud display in the header, but not further down where we encouraged Elliot Jay Stocks to deliberately emphasise the seemingly chaotic layout, without revealing any order behind it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should The Grid Be Visible? by Paul</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/22/should-the-grid-be-visible/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes think they are only put there for the designers benefit and don&#039;t enhance the design; In other instances, they seem to hold the whole design together</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes think they are only put there for the designers benefit and don&#8217;t enhance the design; In other instances, they seem to hold the whole design together</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Comment? by Alex McGibbon</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/03/why-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex McGibbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that comments continue the narrative of the article, and people&#039;s responses can ultimately reshape the context of the original article.

Take for example &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1246585/Oh-joys-perils-older-mum--rickety-old-labrador.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; on the daily mail website. The original post is written in the context of a warm hearted human interest story, but the comments reveal that the actions taken by the author were stupid and dangerous. Readers who take the time to read the comments of this post get both sides of the story, so to speak.

In this scenario, allowing comments on the post has allowed the author to be further educated about the topic they have written, we see examples of this all the time in tutorial posts, where the author presents one way of solving a problem and the audience can then chip in with their own (and sometimes better) solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that comments continue the narrative of the article, and people&#8217;s responses can ultimately reshape the context of the original article.</p>
<p>Take for example <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1246585/Oh-joys-perils-older-mum--rickety-old-labrador.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> on the daily mail website. The original post is written in the context of a warm hearted human interest story, but the comments reveal that the actions taken by the author were stupid and dangerous. Readers who take the time to read the comments of this post get both sides of the story, so to speak.</p>
<p>In this scenario, allowing comments on the post has allowed the author to be further educated about the topic they have written, we see examples of this all the time in tutorial posts, where the author presents one way of solving a problem and the audience can then chip in with their own (and sometimes better) solutions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Comment? by Martin Bean</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/03/why-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes. The now-infamous Brendan Dawes article. The funny thing is, after that article the traffic to my website spiked nearly seven times the average!

I think comments are healthy too. As mentioned above, I can look at metrics in my favorite analytics program, but that doesn&#039;t mean anything. They&#039;re just numbers. But to have another human being take the time to write something in response to something you yourself has written, that can be far more satisfying that 1,000 extra page views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes. The now-infamous Brendan Dawes article. The funny thing is, after that article the traffic to my website spiked nearly seven times the average!</p>
<p>I think comments are healthy too. As mentioned above, I can look at metrics in my favorite analytics program, but that doesn&#8217;t mean anything. They&#8217;re just numbers. But to have another human being take the time to write something in response to something you yourself has written, that can be far more satisfying that 1,000 extra page views.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Comment? by Ollie Parsley</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/03/why-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Ollie Parsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments can also help steer the direction your future blog posts take. So if your talking about server-side code and get 1 comment, but talk about CSS in another and get 5 comments, which direction will you go?

If there are a small number of comments, being able to subscribe by e-mail (there&#039;s a wordpress plugins for it) that can help keep track of a conversation and keeping bringing you back to the site.

Those are my first couple of thoughts anyway

Ollie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments can also help steer the direction your future blog posts take. So if your talking about server-side code and get 1 comment, but talk about CSS in another and get 5 comments, which direction will you go?</p>
<p>If there are a small number of comments, being able to subscribe by e-mail (there&#8217;s a wordpress plugins for it) that can help keep track of a conversation and keeping bringing you back to the site.</p>
<p>Those are my first couple of thoughts anyway</p>
<p>Ollie</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Comment? by Paul</title>
		<link>http://prandall.com/2010/02/03/why-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for leaving a comment.

The &#039;like&#039; idea is an interesting one, I might have to implement something like that on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for leaving a comment.</p>
<p>The &#8216;like&#8217; idea is an interesting one, I might have to implement something like that on this site.</p>
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